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Company Name: Ryland Group, Inc.
Public Availability Date: January 24, 2006

Document Sections:

INQUIRY LETTER
APPENDIX
STAFF REPLY LETTER


[INQUIRY LETTER]

December 16, 2005

VIA UPS

U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
Division of Corporation Finance
Office of Chief Counsel
100 F Street, N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20549

Re: Omission of Shareholder Proposal Submitted by the Indiana State District Council of Laborers and HOD Carriers Pension Fund to The Ryland Group, Inc.

Ladies and Gentlemen:

We are counsel to The Ryland Group, Inc ("Ryland" or the "Company") and, on behalf of Ryland, we respectfully request that the staff of the Division of Corporation Finance (the "Staff") concur that it will not recommend enforcement action if Ryland omits a shareholder proposal and supporting statement (the "Proposal") submitted by Indiana State District Council of Laborers and HOD Carriers Pension Fund (the "Proponent"). The Proponent seeks to include the Proposal in Ryland's proxy materials for the 2006 annual meeting of shareholders (the "2006 Proxy"). The Proposal requests Ryland's Board of Directors to seek shareholder approval of any future extraordinary retirement benefits.

On November 8, 2005, Ryland received the Proponent's Proposal via facsimile. Pursuant to Rule 14a-8(j), Ryland is submitting six paper copies of the Proposal and an explanation as to why Ryland believes that it may exclude the Proposal. For your review, we have attached a copy of the entire Proposal as Appendix A. Ryland appreciates the Staff's consideration and time spent reviewing this no action request.

The resolution of the Proposal reads as follows:

RESOLVED: The shareholders of the Ryland Group, Inc. ("Ryland" or the "Company") urge the Board of Directors (the "Board") to seek shareholder approval of any future extraordinary retirement benefits for senior executives. The Board shall implement this policy in a manner that does not violate any existing employment agreement or vested pension benefit.

For the purposes of this resolution, "extraordinary retirement benefits" means receipt of additional years of service credit not actually worked, preferential benefit formulas not provided under the Company's tax-qualified retirement plans, accelerated vesting of retirement benefits, and retirement perquisites and fringe benefits that are not generally offered to other Company employees.

The Proposal is so vague and impermissibly indefinite that it is contrary to Rule 14a-9 which prohibits materially misleading statements and may be excluded under Rule 14a-8(i)(3).

A. Background and Interpretation

Rule 14a-8(i)(3) provides that a proposal may be omitted if it "is contrary to any of the Commission's proxy rules, including 14a-9, which prohibits materially false or misleading statements in proxy soliciting materials." The Staff has repeatedly found proposals misleading under Rule 14a-9, and thus properly excludable under Rule 14a-8(i)(3). Shareholder proposals which are so vague and indefinite that shareholders voting upon the proposals would not be able to determine with reasonable certainty exactly what actions or measures would be taken in the event the proposals were implemented are excludable under Rule 14a-8(i)(3). Such proposals are properly omitted from proxy materials given the fact that any actions or measures ultimately taken upon implementation of the proposals could be quite different from those envisioned by the shareholders at the time their votes were cast. See e.g., Woodward Governor Company (Nov. 26, 2003)(granting relief to exclude a proposal under 14a-8(i)(3) calling for executive compensation for upper management to be based on stock growth); General Electric Company (Feb. 5, 2003)(granting relief to exclude a proposal under 14a-8(i)(3) calling for senior executive and director compensation to not exceed 25 times the average wage of hourly employees); General Electric Company (Jan. 23, 2003)(granting relief to exclude proposal under 14a-8(i)(3) for seeking cap on "salaries and benefits" for GE officers and directors); Philadelphia Electric Company (July 30, 1992)(granting relief to exclude the proposal under rule 14a-8(c)(3) because the proponent requested a shareholder committee to consider a plan "that will in some measure equate with the gratuities bestowed on management, directors and other employees.").

In Staff Legal Bulletin No. 14B, (Sept. 15, 2004) ("SLB 14B"), the Staff clarified its interpretative position of Rule 14a-8(i)(3) by focusing on the recent trend of companies attempting to expand the (i)(3) exclusion beyond its original intent and applying it to even small immaterial portions of proposals. The Staff affirmed, however, that it would continue to allow the omission of overly vague and indefinite proposals. Ryland acknowledges the Staff's current (i)(3) interpretation and submits this request with SLB 14B's (i)(3) interpretation in mind.

In accordance with SLB 14B, Ryland seeks exclusion of this Proposal for one of the four express reasons described as a position consistent with the Staff's intended application of Rule 14a-8(i)(3). In pertinent part, SLB 14B states that Rule 14a-8(i)(3) may be appropriate where:

The resolution contained in the proposal is so inherently vague or indefinite that neither the stockholders voting on the proposal, nor the company in implementing the proposal (if adopted), would be able to determine with any reasonable certainty exactly what actions or measures the proposal requires this objection also may be appropriate where the proposal and the supporting statement, when read together, have the same result....

Upon first glance, the Proposal urges the board to seek shareholder approval of "future extraordinary retirement benefits" for senior executives and may appear simple, but upon inspection, the attempt at defining these retirement benefits is subject to multiple interpretations. Moreover, once studied and analyzed, the meaning of these benefits remains too vague and indefinite to submit to shareholders.

In International Business Machines Corp. (Feb. 2, 2005) ("IBM"), the proponent submitted a proposal calling for the officers and directors responsible for a reduced dividend payout to be treated like shareholders and have their pay reduced to the level prevailing in 1993 when the change in dividend occurred. The Staff granted relief to exclude the entire proposal under Rule 14a-8(i)(3) as too vague and indefinite. In IBM, the company argued that critical terms such as: (1) "officers and directors," and (2) elements of "pay" mentioned in the proposal could be interpreted in various different ways.

In the present case, the issue of Who and What are all left to a shareholder's imagination to figure out. Based on the Proposal as presented, it is unclear whose retirement benefits are at risk. Will the non-executive hourly employee be pulled into a shareholder vote because he or she is eligible to receive post-employment benefits on the same future plan as the CEO? What benefits are at stake? While the Proponent attempts to include a broad definition of retirement benefits, there are multiple ambiguities as to what types of benefits are generally available or generally offered to non-executives and whether all of these benefits would be subject to a shareholder vote. In addition, the Proponent in the supporting statement seems focused on the supplemental executive retirement plan ("SERP") benefit of the current CEO, but the thrust of the Proposal seems to raise an issue of the associated pension liabilities possible with any supplemental executive retirement plan (including ones that may include people other than the CEO or other senior executives). We just do not know how the Proposal is intended to apply.

B. Senior Executives v. Other Company Employees

In IBM, the Company argued that it was unclear as to who should be defined as the responsible "officers and directors." A plain reading of that proposal identified the parties at issue as IBM's officers and directors, but because of the language of the proposal as to who was responsible for the dividend cut, this simple officer and director description was made unclear.

Similarly, in the present case, the Proponent requests that shareholders approve benefits for "senior executives;" however there are instances of internal conflict within the Proposal regarding this issue. In the definition of "extraordinary retirement benefits" the Proponent refers to fringe benefits that are not generally offered to "other Company employees." Examining the Proposal from a Company implementation standpoint, it is unclear what the Proponent means by "other Company employees." For example, what would happen in a future retirement plan, if a senior executive and a non-executive hourly employee were both eligible and offered the same type of post-retirement benefit contemplated in the Proposal. Does this mean that shareholders must approve the benefits of both the senior executive and the hourly employee? Are fringe benefits or other retirement benefits offered to junior executives and senior executives different from a plan or other retirement benefit offered to both a senior executive and an hourly non-executive employee? In short, the use of "other Company employees" muddies the water to a level that would preclude the Company from thoughtfully implementing the Proposal with any degree of certainty.

Another internal inconsistency regarding "senior executives" in the Proponent's resolution arises in the supporting statement where in a description of a SERP, the Proponent mentions that these plans are for a "select group of management or highly compensated employees." Such a broad-based description well exceeds that group of employees who might be deemed senior executives. Therefore, it is unclear whether the Proponent seeks shareholder approval of certain highly compensated key employees and others or only senior executives.

The reference to "other Company employees" in the Proponent's resolution resembles the confusing language set forth in one of the cornerstone staff letters excluding a proposal for vagueness and indefiniteness: Philadelphia Electric Company (July 30, 1992). The combination here of unclear benefits with unclear references comparing senior executives to other Company employees echoes the confusion raised by the proposal in Philadelphia Electric.

C. Elements of Future Retirement Benefits

In IBM, the company argued that the Proposal's reference to rolling back IBM officer "pay to 1993 levels" carried with it similar interpretative infirmities. IBM raised concerns that it was unclear if pay included total compensation, salary, certain element of total compensation or stock options. As can be seen, by IBM's arguments, that proposal's lack of specificity provided considerable consternation.

In our present set of facts, the Proponent attempts to define "extraordinary retirement benefits," but the definition is so broad and expansive that it is unclear what retirement benefits would need to be submitted to a shareholder vote. For example, within the definition of "extraordinary retirement benefits," the Proponent includes "fringe benefits" not generally offered to other Company employees. The terms "fringe benefits," "generally offered," and "other Company employees" lack any clear meaning which raises the bar beyond whether or not the terms are disputed, but rather that they make the Proposal so vague that the Proposal is materially misleading.

There are four points that raise significant concerns regarding the types of benefits subject to this Proposal. First, there is no definition for "perquisite" or "fringe benefit" in the Proposal that would explain the components of these benefits such as smaller amounts of post-retirement cash or non-cash compensation or other types of benefits such as sports arena tickets or transportation subsidies. Second, specific benefits raise specific types of issues not covered in the Proposal. For example, in the case of "accelerated vesting of retirement benefits," employees other than senior executives may have the right to have their retirement benefits accelerated. While the Proponent's resolution clearly states "acceleration of vesting," it is wholly unclear whether all shareholders as a group would need to vote on both the CEO and a non-executive employee's acceleration of vested retirement benefits when both employees are part of the same plan and may or may not have individual agreements. Because "other Company employees" is so unclear, the future retirement benefits of all employees are subject to interpretation. Third, returning to accelerated vesting, a retirement benefit could be in the form or cash or "non-cash" benefits. The "vesting" of benefits" could therefore relate to stock options. Stock options are not necessarily retirement benefits, but under this vague definition, options could be pulled into a shareholder vote. Then, based on the lack of a clear "Who" would be subject to this Proposal, senior executives and employees participating in a future employee stock option plan ("ESOP") may all be subject to shareholder vote. Clearly, the Proposal's definition does not expressly require shareholder approval of all future ESOPs, yet the vague language could include these types of plans. Fourth, in the case of a change in control, would shareholders vote on entire retirement plans or ESOPs covering all employees or again, try to break up the agreement piece-by-piece to pick out certain executives over other employees. By not including a discussion of voting procedures in the context of a change-in-control, which may have a much broader impact on Ryland's employees as a whole, the current language is impermissibly vague.

D. Nature of Proposal as Precatory v. Mandatory

In addition to the definition of future retirement benefits, there appears to be a material contradiction in the first two sentences of the Proponent's resolution. In the first sentence, the Proponent "urges" the Board to seek shareholder approval of retirement benefits, but in the second sentence, the Proponent states that the Board "shall" implement this policy in a manner that does not violate any existing employment agreement.

From a plain reading of the Proposal, the resolution's language is so vague that it is unclear whether the Proposal is even precatory or mandatory. Since the term "urges" has been characterized by the Staff as precatory, for purposes of implementation, Ryland views the Proposal as precatory. If the second sentence of the resolution clause stated, "If the proposal is implemented, then the Board shall..," it would be clear on its face then that both sentences refer to a precatory proposal which the Board may or may not choose to implement. This is not the case here as the second sentence flatly states that the Board "shall" implement the policy. Is it the policy to seek non-binding guidance from shareholders, or the policy to act as directed by the shareholders? At best, it is unclear.

E. Reference to Significant Pension Liabilities

In the first paragraph of the supporting statement, the Proponent begins to define and discuss SERPs, which are not referenced in the resolution's definition of "future extraordinary retirement benefits." In its definition of SERPs, the Proponent asserts that "SERPs are unfunded plans and payable out of the Company's general assets, the associated pension liabilities can be significant." Pursuant to the guidance in SLB 14B, we are not addressing individual assertions made without basis, but rather suggest that the reference to pension liability confuses investors as to the true intent of the Proposal. There are a long line of No-Action letters which state that a report on pension liability is clearly within the purview of management's day-to-day duties and therefore an improper subject of a proposal under rule 14a-8(i)(7). See e.g., UAL Corp. (Feb 17, 2002)(granting relief to exclude the proposal under 14a-8(i)(7) requesting a report on the pension liability of the Company's SERPs); United Technologies Corp. (Jan. 9, 2002)(same); see also NiSource, Inc. (Mar. 3, 2003)(granting relief to exclude a proposal under 14a-8(i)(7) where the proponent sought to eliminate the Company's SERP).

Conclusion

Due to the combination of indefiniteness and various interpretations of multiple critical terms, the fundamental meaning of the Proposal is unclear. Ryland respectfully requests the Staff concur that it may exclude this Proposal under Rule 14a-8(i)(3) because the Proposal is so vague and indefinite that shareholders would not know what they are voting on, and if adopted, Ryland would be unable to determine which actions the Proposal would require.

Staff's Use of Facsimile Numbers for Response

Pursuant to Staff Legal Bulletin 14C, in order to facilitate transmission of the Staff's response to our request during the highest volume period of the shareholder proposal season, our facsimile number is (410) 580-3001 and the Proponent's facsimile number is (812) 238-2553. Further, in appreciation of the Staff's work during the height of the proxy season, we have included photocopies of all no-action letters cited in this no action request as Appendix B.

Based on the foregoing, the Company respectfully requests the staff's concurrence that the Proposal may be omitted and that it will not recommend enforcement action if the Proposal is excluded from the Company's 2006 proxy materials.

If you have any questions or need any additional information, please contact the undersigned. We appreciate your attention to this request.

Sincerely,

/s/

R.W. Smith, Jr.

cc: Indiana State District Council of Laborers and HOD Carriers Pension Fund
413 Swan Street
Terra Haute, IN 47807-4224
Fax: (812) 238-2553

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[APPENDIX]
Appendix A

Shareholder Proposal

RESOLVED: The shareholders of The Ryland Group, Inc. ("Ryland" or the "Company") urge the Board of Directors (the "Board") to seek shareholder approval of any future extraordinary retirement benefits for senior executives. The Board shall implement this policy in a manner that does not violate any existing employment agreement or vested pension benefit.

For the purposes of this resolution, "extraordinary retirement benefits" means receipt of additional years of service credit not actually worked, preferential benefit formulas not provided under the Company's tax-qualified retirement plans, accelerated vesting of retirement benefits, and retirement perquisites and fringe benefits that are not generally offered to other Company employees.

SUPPORTING STATEMENT:

Supplemental executive retirement plans ("SERPs") provide deferred compensation for a select group of management or highly compensated employees whose compensation exceeds limits set by Federal tax law. Because SERPs are unfunded plans and payable out of the Company's general assets, the associated pension liabilities can be significant.

Ryland's most recent proxy statement discloses that Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer R. Chad Dreier is entitled to payments under Ryland's Supplemental Executive Retirement Plan and Senior Executive Supplemental Retirement Plan. The proxy statement states:

The SERP Benefit vests at a rate of 20 percent per year on each of December 30, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007, unless accelerated as a result of a "change of control" or termination of employment without cause. The SERP Benefit will be paid at the election of Mr. Dreier as either an annual payment of $2,400,000 for a period of 15 years or a lump sum payment in the amount of the present value of the SERP Benefit calculated using an eight percent discount rate.

In our opinion Ryland already provides CEO Dreier extremely generous compensation. According to the proxy statement Mr. Dreier received an annual salary of $1,000,000 in 2004 and 2003; a bonus of $12,245,622 in 2004 and $9,568,271 in 2003; other annual compensation of $3,013,080 in 2004 and $2,340,577 in 2003; and all other compensation of $3,600,090 in 2004 and $5,265,128 in 2003. Mr. Dreier also exercised stock options in 2004 with a value realized of $8,779,920 and as of year-end 2004 held exercisable options with a value of $76,787,600.

To help ensure that the use of extraordinary pension benefits for senior executives is in the best interests of shareholders, we believe such benefits should be submitted for shareholder approval. Because it may not always be practical to obtain prior shareholder approval, the Company would have the option of seeking approval after the material terms were agreed upon.

We respectfully urge your support for this important reform.


[STAFF REPLY LETTER]

January 24, 2006

Response of the Office of Chief Counsel Division of Corporation Finance

Re: The Ryland Group, Inc. Incoming letter dated December 16, 2005

The proposal urges the board of directors to seek shareholder approval of any future extraordinary retirement benefits for senior executives.

We are unable to concur in your view that Ryland may exclude the proposal under rule 14a-8(i)(3). Accordingly, we do not believe that Ryland may omit the proposal from its proxy materials in reliance on rule 14a-8(i)(3).

Sincerely,

/s/

Tamara M. Brightwell
Attorney-Adviser

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